Dec 142015

Early discussion with devotees are trying to understand the difference between Bhu-mandala and this small earth globe, devotees did not know a lot back then as this discussion reveals

June 28, 1977, Vrndavana

Puskara: Srila Prabhupada, previously we painted in the art department… It’s described that Varaha lifted the earth, and the earth was a globe, and we showed also a globe of the earth. How does that relate to this? Previously, when we painted, we showed the earth a ball. So now the artists will be very confused. How it fell in the Garbha Ocean as a ball?

Yasodanandana: It depends on what we mean by earth. The Western conception of earth is just five continents and a few oceans, but according to Bhagavatam, earth means Jambudvipa, because earth is connected with Jambudvipa.

Puskara: So whole Jambudvipa fell.

Bhakti-prema: Bhagavata describes the height of Himalayas, eighty thousand miles.

Prabhupada: No, about this earth globe.

Bhakti-prema: About the earth it describes four billion miles.

Tamala Krsna: That means Jambudvipa.

Bhakti-prema: No, that means complete earth, four billion miles. That is eight lakhs miles, Jambudvipa.

Tamala Krsna: Four billion is the universe.

Bhakti-prema: Bhu-mandala.

Tamala Krsna: Bhu-mandala. Oh, the Bhagavatam describes Bhu-mandala as earth.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Yasodanandana: Bhumi.

Bhakti-prema: (indistinct) has come from the Garbhodaka ocean, from the bottom of the (indistinct) ocean.

Prabhupada: So explained there. Then this question is solved.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. The whole Bhu-mandala fell.

Bhakti-prema: So the universe is round, and from bottom of the Garbhodaka ocean to top of Satyaloka there is four billion miles. Then the again, the next, from east to west again is another four billion miles. Because Bhu-mandala is situated in between the earth.

Prabhupada: Explain. He’ll explain.

Yasodanandana: (background talking — indistinct)

Bhakti-prema: Yes, this is eighty-four thousand above the earth. Sixty… sixteen thousand (indistinct).

Tamala Krsna: And that is saltwater ocean, behind it.

Yasodanandana: Saltwater ocean goes all around.

Bhakti-prema: All around.

Tamala Krsna: It’s actually a circle, but we have shown one area, so it looks flat.

Bhakti-prema: This is a (indistinct) ocean. And this is Srngavan Mountain. And this is (indistinct) varsa. And it’s divided by Sveta (indistinct). And this is all eighty thousand miles high and sixteen thousand miles wide, these mountains. And these names…

Prabhupada: All marble. Mountain.

Tamala Krsna: What are they made of?

Yasodanandana: Each mountain is made of a different kind of stone. Some are made of gold; some are made of coral; some of them, stones, are lapis lazuli, that blue stone that Krsna wears. Each mountain has different variety.

Prabhupada: They will be puzzled. These material scientists will be puzzled. (laughter)

Bhakti-prema: But according to Srimad-Bhagavatam, in the beginning of creation we have relationship with all these areas. Even five thousand years ago Pariksit Maharaja went and he conquered this area. It is mentioned. I am translating… I have translated this. So it is mentioned this (indistinct)-varsa was conquered by… And this Ramya(?)-varsa was also conquered. And Vardhanya also (indistinct). And then this is Bharata-varsa, this whole world.

Tamala Krsna: Where?

Bhakti-prema: This.

Tamala Krsna: That is Bharata-varsa.

Bhakti-prema: Yeah, and he was residing here. He was living here. And then he crossed this mountain.

Prabhupada: Crossed?

Bhakti-prema: Yes. And he conquered it. Not only he saw; he conquered it. And it is surrounded by five other oceans. And again this is surrounded by Plaksadvipa. And Plaksadvipa is surrounded by sugarcane juice ocean. Again there are ten mountains.

Tamala Krsna: That is what we’re painting next.

Bhakti-prema: Next time we’ll show you.

Tamala Krsna: Bhu-mandala, the whole Bhu-mandala, these different oceans and dvipas. That will be in color.

Prabhupada: Very nice.

Tamala Krsna: This Puskara, he did the…

Puskara: I made the mess. (laughs)

Prabhupada: He’ll do something wonderful in arts. Krsna will make. They will combine. All right. Jaya.

Devotees: (offer obeisances)

Prabhupada: Vedic planetarium.

Bhakti-prema: Next step will be planetary system.

Prabhupada: All right.

Bhakti-prema: The third planetary system, above Mount Meru. (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Jaya. You have taken lunch?

Upendra: Yes, Prabhupada. [break]

Prabhupada: … there is sun, and above that, there is moon. And they are going to moon. They are going nowhere — simply taking laboratory photo, studio, and cheating. Why this cheating can go on? You do not know. That’s all. Who is insisting that “We must know”? (Hindi) (end)

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